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- Zen Windows And Doors
- Zen Warranty Information
- Karma Series Reviews
- Zen Nirvana Series Reviews
- Lotus Series Reviews
- Zen Lotus Plus Series Reviews
- Joyce Series Reviews
- Zen Endure Series Reviews
- FiberFrame Series Reviews
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What They Sell
As mentioned before, Zen sells three main window series; the Karma, Nirvana, and the Lotus (certain branches also sell the Lotus Plus). When the company first started, these were always the Soft-Lite Barrington, Classic, and Pro Series, respectively.
As the company has expanded, so too has their window brand selection. Today, certain Zen branches also sell Alside windows, which are, in my opinion, not in the same league as the Soft-Lite offerings. Some branches now sell the ProVia brand (which I consider very good), Joyce (good quality), and FiberFrame (which I don't know enough about to give a strong opinion).
Consumers who receive bids from Zen Windows and Doors need to make sure they know what they are actually buying - the Zen Nirvana could be either the Soft-Lite Classic, the ProVia Endure, or the Alside Mezzo. Scroll down to read all of our Zen windows reviews.
"The problem with Zen is that their Karma, Nirvana, and Lotus models are all relabeled windows - meaning you could be buying one of four different window series. Can you imagine buying a car and not knowing the actual make and model you're purchasing?"
Zen Windows Warranty
The Zen warranty is quite strong - limited lifetime window warranty on any manufacturing defects on the window frame, sash, and all additional parts. It also includes lifetime labor (from Zen itself) on replacement or repair (of course exclusions apply here). The Zen warranty id fully transferrable to another homeowner. Warranties are always changing so make sure you read the actual warranty for the latest before you buy.
Related Topic: Zen Windows Prices
Zen Windows Reviews :: Karma Series
The Zen Karma is the company's entry-level offering and is actually a relabeled Soft-Lite Barrington window. While Soft-Lite is often in the conversation as a top tier vinyl window manufacturer, the Barrington isn't my favorite window by any means. It's quite decent when compared to other company's entry level windows, but that isn't saying much. In general, I don't recommend that consumers go with the low end offering if they are looking to maximize long term value.
The Zen Karma series includes the following standard features: double weatherstripping, a lock/tilt latch, constant force balancing, and a nice exterior molding. Consumers can get the Karma model in brown, beige, or white or beige for the interior and exterior. While I would suggest most consumers "stretch" into the Nirvana or Louts models (similar and both quite good), the Karma window isn't a bad option for budget conscious consumers. I would give the Zen Karma a 3.9 out of 5 stars rating. Scroll down to read all of our Zen windows reviews on the Karma Series.
Dane - Site Editor
Best Replacement Windows In Massachusetts
Hi Dane, we have recently bought an old house in Somerville MA, ( near Boston) and the windows were having condensation inside, it seems like the seal is leaking and we plan to replace all the windows. We previously got a really good recommendation from you some years back for Zen Nirvana windows when we were living in Nashville and was happy with the service and product.
Would you help recommend an affordable and good window company in Boston region, it can get really cold here for 6 months and with the long waiting period for window order, we want to be seal up before winter this year? Thank you so much!
Ting - Homeowner - from 2024
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Ting, I am happy to send you my list of replacement windows and we can go from there to find you a great window. We also have our form on the site that allows you to find quality local companies. If you do use the form, it certainly helps me out and I will make sure to help you find an AWESOME window at an AFFORDABLE price!
Dane - Site Editor - from 2024
Zen Windows vs Wincore 7700
Hi! We are in Nashville TN. I wanted to put mostly Nirvana in. I chose that over a $1500 lower Wencoe 77O0 bid because he’s an independent guy with a few good reviews vs Zen ( only 1 owner though) w/ a lot of good reviews. Also does Wincore have less glass view area than Nirvana as it seems?
Is it ok to use Karma For the 2 in the garage that we’ll never open that look towards front street and also 1 each in two side bedrooms. The only reason I would not do Karma there is if the sashes / frames will sag eventually? PleAse let me know. Also we have only 1-2 south facing windows, with little direct sun. Wencoe has SHG 0.19-0.21 and Nirvana 0.28.
The home doesn’t get hot now with old rotted wood windows so I don’t think I need upgrade to the reflective 0.21 nirvana glass correct. Is it True the 0.21 glass trade-off is the home won’t get as warm from the sun reflecting away in the winter? Thank you.
Vicki - Homeowner - from 2018
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Vicki, the Wincore 7700 window is a good one, but the Zen Nirvana is the better of the two in my opinion. Better to spend the $1500 more on the better window from the company that has the better reviews and reputation.
I haven't looked at these two windows side-by-side, I would think the Nirvana has more glass area, but I couldn't say by how much.
It's fine to use the Karma windows in the garage. The Karma should definitely not sag over time, that only happens with poorly made windows and usually in bigger openings where the frame is supporting more weight across the span. The Karma window is still generally a good window, but the Nirvana model is definitely a step up.
If heat isn't an issue, you won't need the upgrade to the lower SHGC glass. The new vinyl windows will let in less heat than your older wood windows.
The higher the SHGC number, the more heat is allowed to pass through the window. The basic trade off is that in winter your house will allow in a bit more heat through the glass (a good thing) and in summer your house will let in a bit more heat (a bad thing). Unless you live in one extreme or the other, the standard SHGC that you mentioned with the Nirvana is just fine.
Good luck with the project. Let me know how it goes!
Dane - Website Editor - from 2018
Zen vs Silverline
Found your site thru googling Zen windows reviews. My husband and I are replacing 10 windows and our contractor likes the Silverline 8600. Not many reviews on the 8600 series. We are on a budget and don't plan to be in the house for that many more years. Any opinions or comments would be great.
Joni - Homeowner - from 2017
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Joni, if you won't be in your place for much longer, then the quality of window becomes much less important. The Silverline 8600 would be okay, along with the following recommendations.
Ply Gem Pro Series
Soft-Lite Barrington
Zen Karma
Milgard Styline
Simonton VantagePointe Series
Silverline 9500 series
Simonton Daylight Max window
Cheers and good luck!
Tim - Site Editor - from 2017
Zen Nirvana Windows Reviews
The Zen Nirvana is a relabeled Soft-Lite Classic window. This is an upper end mid range vinyl window that has been around for quite some time, but is quite a good design. It comes with nice features, components, and options. It's a step down from the Soft-Lite Imperial LS and Elements, but still quite a good vinyl window.
I have bids on 4 double hung window and one eyebrow window here in the Charlotte NC area. Love to get your take.
Michel, the Potomac is great, but the bid is too expensive. The Bainbridge is overpriced for that window. I like the Endure bid and think it probably offers the best value of the bunch. The other really good bid is the Soft-lite Classic Plus, which is a good window. Either of these would be my call and I think I would make the decision based on the quality of the installation company.
Hi Dane, can you offer your opinion on a quote we got from Zen Windows St Louis and this is on the Softlite Classic Plus Quote.
Michael, that's about what I would expect from Zen for 5 Softlite Classic Plus series. That's a solid price overall for what you're looking at... As always I'd collect a few more bids to see how that price compares to other quality brands and options in the area. That would be my one suggestion if you really want to know how good the bid is. Have you taken a look at our Zen Windows reviews page - nice place to start.
Hi Dane, another question for you if it's not too much trouble! We have found several install companies either by searching for dealers you suggested or from recommendations from others. We already have a good quote from Zen for Soft Lite Classic Plus (about $25k for 29 windows), but would like to get some comparisons and potentially consider a higher quality vinyl window since we plan on this being our forever home. (Do you agree with that assessment on Classic Plus or is it "good enough" for forever home? I don't believe Zen carries the higher Soft Lite windows.) Which of these would you prioritize for getting quotes?
Kathryn, it's a great question. The Soft-Lite Classic is a pretty darn good option in your location. I'd rate it above the NT Presidential, equal to the Del Mar Anlin and about on par with the Catalina or Panoramic, and above the Milgard offerings. I'd rate the Infinity by Marvin as better by a bit -- but that option will run you probably a lot more. I don't know about Thermal Windows so I can't really comment.
Hi Dane and Tim, I'd love a copy of your list of best windows. I'm between Alside mezzo and Zen's Soft-Lite Classic Plus. The quotes are within $3k of each other ($25k for Mezzo, and $22k for Soft-lite, 29 windows), so I just want to pick the higher quality window that will perform the best, look the best, and last another 30 years.
Kathryn, the Soft-Lite Classic Plus is the much better window over the Alside Mezzo. Not even a question in my mind. Go with the Classic Plus and save yourself some money in the meantime -- there are always other places around the house that you could spend it!
Hi Dane, we have received multiple quotes for the 16 windows for our house.
Patrick, I would rank the Soft-Lite Classic Plus as the best of the three. By quite a bit actually. Then the Simonton Platinum and just behind that the Berkshire Elite. The WW would bring up the rear. If the Zen branch you are working with has a good reputation for quality installation, this is hands down what I'd go for.
Hi. Just got a quote from Zen out of Lancaster Pennsylvania. 19 back of house windows. All the soft white color with the colonial grids. Total is $14900 including tax. Including tax. Does this sound right to you for the below sized windows?
Matt, it sounds pretty reasonable to me. I would still grab a couple more bids if this were me --
Hello! I have found your website to have a lot of really useful information! I’ve been getting quotes and am curious as to your thoughts on them. I live in Colorado at 8500 feet. I’d like a good energy efficient window that won’t break the bank.
Molly, both the Zen Nirvana and Anlin Catalina products are quite good. Alpen High Performance windows are as well, but they don't seem to be cooperating...
Hi Dane, thank you so much for the response! I can’t believe I didn’t say how many! There are 14 windows and 1 sliding door. I don’t think the company I found for Anlin sells the Del Mar. both company’s have almost all 5 star reviews. The only one star I found was about how a guy wrote and asked about a replacement and the response was that they couldn’t do that replacement and It pissed the guy off.
Molly, yes that is pretty expensive for 12 windows and 1 sliding door. The problem right now is interpreting whether the price is high because of your particular job requirements or whether it's based on the high demand right now. Possibly both. The Andersen bid leads me to believe that it's your job particulars, but that's just my own speculation...
Looking to replace 13 Double Hungs and 4 Casement in our home in Missouri. Originally set up an appointment with Renewal by Anderson but cancelled that after reading all of the reviews on their sales tactics and the overall value of the product.
Hi Chris, so it comes down to the Simonton 6500 for $17,021 or the Zen Nirvana for $13,682. The Soft-Lite Classic or Nirvana is the better window and I quickly checked on the reviews for Zen Windows of St. Louis LLC and they look very good. So this is the clear winner for me.
I see that Zen soft lite classic bids that people are getting are around $560 or so. Is there any reason why I would receive a quote of $595 for the same window? Just wondering if this is something I should try to negotiate?? I just recently found your site and it's awesome!! Thank you !!
Tashia, there are many reasons why your per window cost may be bid higher than others. However, there is no reason why you can't try and get them to come down to that price. Here is a link to a page that we created to try and help consumers negotiate a better price on their window bids.
Hi Dane, I have a couple of bids on replacing four casements (2 crank out, 2 stationary) in a single opening. I have 2 quotes so far to replace with picture window in the center with 2 sliders. One quote is considerably less than the other, so I'm wondering if one of the windows is significantly better than the other. The quotes are as follows:
Debby, I'm not nearly as familiar with the Pinnacle vinyl window as I am the Zen Nirvana, which is a Soft-Lite Classic series. The Classic series is a very solid window and one that I would certainly have in my own home.
Hi Dane and Tim, first off I just want to say your site was a great help at narrowing down our replacement process. We're looking to replace 6 double hungs and have received quotes from both Zen and Pella. We are in the Boston area, and we've never heard of Zen. Do you have an opinion on which may be a better option?
Gretchen, I do have a strong opinion on this -- the Zen Nirvana (a relabeled Soft-Lite Classic) is the much better window over the Pella 250 series. Pella has a big name, and the 250 and 350 series are huge improvement over their older vinyl windows, but they are still sub par vinyl windows in my opinion.
Hi Dane
Kristi, right now it sounds like its a two company race. Assuming the Zen branch has a good reputation (the one in Des Moines has a good reputation so far as I can tell), this would certainly be my choice over the Pella 350 option. Better window and seemingly better price, although their full replacement will probably be close to the Pella bid once that comes in. In terms of full replacement vs. pocket, what did the other companies say beased on what they saw? Were they also suggesting full replacement?
Getting quotes from 3 contractors to replace 5 2’x2’ casement windows. Zen Nirvana, Kensington K4G through Mt. Pleasant Window and Remodeling and Renewal by Anderson. What’s you opinion on these three?
I would probably list the brands in the same order as you listed them.
Thank you so much for the information, Tim! I got an estimate for the Zen Nirvana as you suggested, and at about $4,100 for 7 double hungs, it’s $1,500 less than the “sale” price for the Okna 500. In your professional opinion, is the Okna that much better in performance to justify an extra $1,500 over 7 windows?
Hi April, the $4100 for the Zen Nirvana for 7 double hungs is a good deal. The Soft-Lite Classic is quite a good window and I would say a better deal than the Okna 500. As long as you like the company doing the installation, I'd say the Zen deal is the one I would opt for.
The Lotus series is a relabeled Soft-Lite Pro, which although not a new design by any means, is a very good vinyl window. The Soft-Lite Classic and Pro are quite similar to one another, achieve good performance numbers and are quite well made.
Hi Dane, would you mind giving your opinion on these last two estimates from Zen? I saw them recommended on your site when I contacted you and have just gotten their estimate.
Hi Errin, so for me, this comes down to your timeline in the home. I like both of these series, well made and quality construction. If this is your forever home, then stick with the Imperial elite triple pane glass. If not, I would strongly consider the Nirvana option.
Good morning Dane, I was wondering if you have any feedback regarding Custom Quality Windows out of Evansville WI. I toured their Amish shop recently. The slider windows I require are all based out of the same extrusion as their other windows, it seems. There is no insulation within the extrusion and the roller system is made of nylon. The corners are sealed with a color matched adhesive caulk, not a plastic welded joint/miter. The windows are Low-E, argon filled, with a full screen.
Steve, I googled Custom Quality Windows reviews and was pretty unimpressed with the cumulative reviews they have from google, yelp, etc. Based on that alone, I would avoid this shop. The Zen Windows Milwaukee Reviews on the other hand are great. This is definitely the road I would go. The Zen Lotus is an excellent option and a really good window.
I have the pricing for 39 replacement windows from Zen Windows of St. Louis. Would be interested in your thoughts on the price, and whether or not prices will come back down as we head into a recession.
Patrick, I think the price looks fair given the prices I've seen lately. The recession question is quite interesting. Inflation and demand seem to still be running hot so companies can charge what they want to charge. If an economic downturn happens, I think you will see prices come down some for sure. But the question is how much -- I certainly can't answer that question. I would say this...if you have the money and can afford to wait, you might just save a couple of thousand by doing this project next year...
Dane, I hope you are doing well and are having a great finish to this week. I appreciate your follow up on these questions about Zen Windows reviews. I've gotten a few more quotes and feel that I'm in a pretty good place on making a decision, but I'd like to get your opinion on this before I move forward on this.
Doug, I agree that the ProVia Endure windows and doors are your best bet. The price grouping also let’s me know that you are getting a solid deal on the project. This is the option I would proceed with…good luck on your upcoming project!
Dane; I'm trying to wrap my mind around the various lines made by Soft-Lite vs the lines made by Zen.
Mitch, you are right to be confused because the difference Zen branches carry different windows. Some do carry the Imperial LS as their Lotus model, but some use the Pro as their Lotus model. Some Zen branches carry Alside, but still call these their Nirvana and Lotus models. Others use Joyce Windows and call them by the same name -- I don't know exactly how they come up with what window brands they are selling to be quite honest.
Dane; you provide a spectacular service. Thank you! I also appreciate the speed at which you replied.
Mitch, given todays prices, the bid for the double hungs and casements looks quite fair. The picture window seems expensive for the size -- I'm assuming there is some more work there than meets the eye. I think generally that price quote looks quite competitive and that is an outstanding window.
First, thank you! I stumbled upon your site a week ago and it beyond helpful. I am grateful for your time and insights. I am writing about my project. I am replacing 9 windows and 1 door for my parent's house in Kansas City with hot summers and cold winters.
Josh, I think Soft-Lite makes a good window and sliding door. I'll have to go through and look at the negative comment about the Soft-Lite door, but I think it's quite solid. The two quotes from Zen both look pretty fair to me given the price quotes I've seen lately. I would say if you are in the home longer than say 10 years, then the Lotus of Soft-Lite Pro is a worthwhile investment in my opinion. It is a very solid vinyl window.
Hi Tim, thank you so much for the advice. I did more research on the 6 years contractor, Zen windows Boston LLC, and actually some of my coworkers used them before and highly recommended them. So I feel a little more comfortable now, even they only has 14 5-stars review (while the 40 years contractor has 180+ good review). Given we are in Massachusetts with winter for half of the year, I may choose the Zen lotus (3 pane).
Jacky, the triple pane won't make your room any darker...unless you choose a glass package that does use a darker low-e glass. There are a number of options for glass that will be darker/greener than a clear glass. The Zen dealer should be able to direct you to their page that shows you how the glass packages will compare visually.
Hi guys, I stumbled across your site for Zen Windows reviews and it’s been helpful so far. I just bought a townhome in an HOA that needs new windows and sliding glass doors. The windows unfortunately have grids and dark exterior color, which I’m learning drives up the price. So far I’ve gotten 2 quotes; one from Window Nation and one from Zen Windows. Was hoping you could give me your opinion.
Hi Josh, so the bids seem about what I would expect, given the different windows, sliding doors, and exterior color upgrades. The Potomac is a great window, but so is the Soft-Lite Pro. I would be hard pressed not to go with the Zen delaer over the Window Nation for the $5K savings. This is assuming that your Zen branch gets good online reviews and seems like a class act. You might be able to do better, but I'm not sure how much better.
Dane. we are looking to replace 16 double hungs and a pentagon stationary window and two 6 ft slider deck doors.
Eugene, I definitely like the Zen product more than the Ply Gem windows -- this is assuming the Zen dealer you are working with is selling the Soft-Lite Pro series for their Lotus model. (If they are selling the Alside product, then the Ply Gem is the much better deal in my opinion.) My issue with the Zen quote is the price. Yes, the new construction or full install should add quite a bit to the price, but it still seems pricey.
Hello, we are considering some replacement windows from Zen Windows (in Denver, CO). They are the Lotus Supreme model. Is this the same as the Lotus Plus model indicated on your website? Thank you for your Zen Windows reviews!
Shawn, I've never hear of the Supreme model. Zen now sells Alside, Joyce, and Fiberframe fiberglass windows, in addition to Soft-Lite. It's possible that they now label one of these as the Supreme series.
Hi, Tim, I heard back from Zen Windows. They said the Lotus Supreme is Soft-Lite's Pro line. What are your thoughts on this window? Thanks!
Shawn, I must have misread your first email -- I saw Supreme, not Lotus Supreme. I still never heard it referred to this.
The Zen Lotus Plus is a relabeled Soft-Lite Imperial LS that is offered by a select number of Zen Dealers (at least this is our understanding). The Imperial LS is an impressive vinyl window and comes standard with some high quality features, including triple weather stripping, an Intercept Spacer, and a kevlar reinforced meeting rail. One of the most impressive numbers on the Imperial LS is the .02 air leakage rating, along with a U-factor of 0.19, SHGC of 0.18, and a VT of 0.34. I would give the Zen Lotus Plus a 4.9 out of 5 stars rating. Scroll down to read all of our Zen Windows reviews on the Lotus Plus series.
Hi Dane, thanks again for the help! Here is the latest and I think I am ready to make a decision, with your input and consideration with some unexpected info provided by the Zen installer on measurement day.
Josh, it's difficult to say without really taking a close look at the configuration/frames first hand. It sounds to me like the Zen is the right option though as it sounds like they are focused on making sure the finished product looks really good. This would be the primary goal for my home. The double and triple sliders will cost more than a single window so the total window count shouldn't matter, just the price bid.
And do you see any differences between the Softlite Classic and Pro (which Zen will use) vs. the more recent version of the Imperial (which Window Nation will use?)
Josh, I did see your follow up email a second ago...yes there is a difference between the Softlite Classic/Pro and the Imperial LS. That would account for the price difference right there. You are probably at a coin flip at this point, but with companies that get 5.0 and 4.8 -- and both of which use Soft-Lite windows, you are in a win win situation IMO.
Dane, I have an update and would really appreciate your input. My original Zen Windows quote was for all white windows, both interior and exterior - something I do not want. They also normally use Siroflex sealant around windows and coil wrapping.
Kim, this is tricky. The Imperial Elite is the much better window in my opinion, but you aren't getting what you want. If the Apex dealer has really good reviews, then maybe you go with them. I definitely wouldn't worry about the sealant, although you can always ask them to use the Quad Max if that's what you want -- the cost should be minimal -- heck you could go down and buy it yourself.
If the Apex dealer doesn't have great reviews, then I think you go with the Imperial Elite --
I have 4 quotes from local companies. I'm in Nashville Tennessee and would like your opinion on what to do.
Ruby, those are good bids. The Elements and Kingsroyal Door is the best but almost the priciest. The Restorations and ProVia Door are probably equal actually. However, the Zen Lotus is the Soft-Lite Imperial LS, which is very close in quality to the Elements windows. The Dharma is the Kingsroyal so its kind of a no brainer to go with the $15.5K bid, which is a $8K less! Go with that one for sure.
I'm in touch with a Zen who sells the Imperial LS. A couple of your zen windows reviews on your website indicate the Pro model is not as good.
Mike, the Imperial LS is a top tier vinyl window. The Pro is good, but it's an older design and doesn't include quite as many top tier components and features. Soft-Lite underwent some serious R&D to come up with the Elements and Imperials LS series, which are their flagship products. Both are good products, but the Imperial LS is a better window than the pro.
Scroll down to read all of our Zen Windows reviews on the Joyce Heritage Plus series.
Hi, I've purchased eight Zen Nirvana series, specifically the Joyce Insulator series. It came out as the same cost as the Soft lite Classic window and included some nice features, including: LoE366 glass package, Reinforced meeting rail, and foam filled sash and frame. Numbers wise it got a .27 U factor, .21 SHGC, and a .50 VT.
The Provia Endure is a fantastic vinyl window that attains an air infiltration rating of .05. While Zen has not offered this in the past, it does seem that they are now providing the Endure option to customers in certain of their locations. Scroll down to read all of our Zen Windows reviews on the Endure series.
Hi Dane, we just got a bid from Zen Windows on 40 windows total - $35,000. Included replacing several exterior window trims that have water damage. Includes exterior trim wrapping, and all the haul away. Deal, no deal? Also got a bid from Apex windows, but it was quite a bit more.
Paul, I like this as a start. I would say you should still try and get a few more bids just to see what else is out there in your area. Do some comparison shopping, then send me the bids, and let's comb through them together and pick the best one. I appreciate you filling out the form on the site and it sounds like we are off to a good start! The Endure is the better window over the Apex Champion window so let's stick with the Zen bid for now.
ProVia Endure : This sounds really good,what do you think? It's from Zen and they seem to get good reviews/
Mark, sounds great to me. Love the window and the Zen branches has excellent reviews. You can’t go wrong with that combo!
Hi - Love your website and am learning about the world of windows where it can be very confusing! I am replacing 12 original wood clads on a brick duplex on the washington, dc. I am now comparing Ideal Majestic with ultraview mesh screen upgrade for $7445 and a well known dealer/installer and Zen pro via endure fine line - just under $10k. (Ideal Windows Reviews)
DL, LOL, I agree with you on the corner welds -- "they look like a toddler's craft project" -- too funny!
The FiberFrame series is offered by certain Zen branches, specifically the Comfort line series. As the name indicates, FiberFrame Comfort line is a fiberglass frame. Are Fiberframe windows any good - with the standard low-e glass, homeowners can expect a .30 U-value, .08 air infiltration, 3.33 r-value, condensation resistance of 56, and .31 SHGC.
These are respectable numbers, but not world beater numbers. In terms of Fiberframe Windows costs, homeowners should expect to pay 35% more for the FiberFrame Comfort line over the Zen Nirvana. As to whether that price is worth it remains to be seen. I would give the Zen FiberFrame a 3.9 out of 5 stars rating. Scroll down to read all of our Zen Windows reviews on the Endure series.
Hi Tim, thank you for you website and the work you are doing. I got a quote from Zen WIndows for about $31K for 13 fiberglass fiberframe windows. You're website does not even discuss Fiberframe in the section on Fiberglass windows.
Ed, I know very little about the Fiberframe Comfort Line window. The little I've heard has been complaints posted online from customers who haven't had very good experiences. That is not as surprising as you might think, though because it is often these consumers who are more vocal about their experiences.
Dear Tim, thank you so much for responding I really appreciate it I actually talked to the national sales manager at fiberframe about that because they're really old posts which I had already found 2007-2005 and he said that the windows have been completely redesigned since that point in time.
Ed, Renewal by Andersen does have a good track record, but they are typically expensive as hell. So if their quote is less than Zen, you may want to seriously consider it. Fiberglass and the RBA composite are both good frame materials, but they are pricey. One wood clad window that I always mention is the Jeld Wen with the aurlast treatment. The window actually comes with a lifetime warranty on the wood. Seems to be a pretty good product.
Related Topics: Vytex Windows Reviews
The Zen has a U-Factor of .29, SHGC of .28, and an Air Leakage of .07. These are all very respectable numbers. I would give the Zen Nirvana a 4.4 out of 5 stars rating. Scroll down to read all of our Zen windows reviews on the Nirvana series.
Dane - Site Editor
Carolina Home Remodeling Prices
Vytex Potomac - $12,265
Softlite Bainbridge - $11,110
Provia Endure - $7090
Simonton 6100 Window - $6085
Softlite Classic Plus - $5950
Michel - Homeowner - from 2024
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Dane - Site Editor - from 2024
Zen Windows St Louis
4 - 27 x 48 double hungs
1- 26 x 48 double hung
Soft white in and out
Colonial contoured grids with half screens
Glass is double pane solar low e
Quote total with install is $3641
Thank you in advance.
Michael - Homeowner - from 2023
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Dane - Site Editor - from 2023
Zen Nirvana vs NT Presidential Series
NT presidential and executive windows from Brennan Corp
Anlin Catalina and Panoramic from Designer Doors and Windows (they don't offer the Del Mar)
Infinity by Marvin from Lifetime
Thermal Windows local manufacturer and installer
Milgard (multiple lines) from US Energy
I'm still looking for a Sunrise dealer. It looks like Statewide Remodeling may carry them, but I don't love that option since I think they will be more sales-ly and less consistent in their installation quality since they are such a big company.
Thanks so much!
Kathryn - Homeowner - from 2023
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What about Zen Lotus series, which is the Soft-Lite Pro -- this is a slightly better option than the Classic -- I think for a forever home this would work if the install was thorough and professionally done...
Dane - Site Editor - from 2023
Zen Soft-Lite Classic Plus
Thanks!
Kathryn - Homeowner - from 2023
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Dane - Site Editor - from 2023
Zen Windows Reviews vs Window World
Window World 4000 series was $11k
Marvin 25K+ (fiberglass)
Titan quoted us $11,700 for Simonton Platinum
Window Universe quoted us $12,700 for the Berkshire Elite. More Window Universe reviews.
Zen Windows quoted us $13,700 for the Nirvana (soft lite classic plus).
The options may be a little different between some being sliders, DH or picture.
(We were going back and forth over what we want to do in that regard)
We can't afford the Marvin.
IIRC the Window World seemed "cheap" ... but if you know otherwise I'd love to know too.
So that leaves us with the Berkshire Elite, Simonton Platinum and Soft Lite Classic Plus.
The prices are pretty close so how would you rank these windows and why?
Patrick - Homeowner - from 2022
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In terms of how I rank windows, I look at vinyl wall thickness and gauge, the engineering and design features used in the manufacturing process. Some manufacturers cut corners by using the same vinyl pieces, instead of custom molds for each piece. Some companies use a sloped sill, which is much preferred to a pocket sill, which can trap water and debris inside the window over time.
Additionally, the overall build, fit, and tolerance of the window. Finally, the components, features and hardware. All of these go into the quality and durability of a window.
The end result can be viewed in the energy efficiency numbers of a window, specifically in the U-value, AI, SHGC, DP, VT, and CR. Although, there are certain companies that have learned to "cheat" when it comes to these results. This is sort of the case with the Revere Berkshire Elite, who use little fuzzy pads to get their AI down to .04.
I look at brand quality year after year, and spend time researching what other installers like or don't like, to make these judgements.
Dane - Website Editor - from 2022
Zen Nirvana Windows Lancaster Pennsylvania
Should I look at any other companies? Should I look at any other companies? If it's going to be a question of just a few hundred to a thousand less, then doesn't make a difference. Thank you.
34/71-6 (DR and Family Room), 34/60-6 (master and spare bedroom), 22/44-1 (water closet), 23/46-4 (master bath corner windows), 26/44-2 (over kitchen sink)
Matt - Homeowner - from 2022
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Tim - Website Editor - from 2022
Zen Windows Reviews vs Anlin
So far I’ve gotten 12 quotes with another one the way but I’m tired of waiting for it. Renewal and Pella are both out. While they make good products they are stupidly expensive. Champion has far too many bad reviews and Simonton I saw was just bought out. Milgard no longer has a big presence in Colorado. I really liked the Alpen High Performance windows but after the initial quote, they aren’t responding. So I’ve narrowed it down to 2.5 companies
Anderson 100 (my .5)- $21,000 - the performance data isn’t as good as the others I’m considering and they are more expensive.
Zen Nirvana - $14,210
Anlin Catalina Cost - $12,900
I’m leaning toward the Zen windows but based on research I think the price is a bit high. I appreciate any insight you can give me. Thanks!!
Molly - Homeowner - from 2021
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I really have no idea how many you have to replace, so I can't say one way or the other if the quote sounds high.
I will say that the price difference is about what I would expect between these two series. At that altitude, I might stick with the better Anlin Del Mar series if you end up going with them, which would probably put it a bit more expensive than the Nirvana, but it's also a slightly better window.
If this were my project, I would base my decision (between the Zen Nirvana and the Anlin Del Mar) on which installation company had the better reputation. The windows are close enough in quality to bump the installation to the most important consideration in my opinion.
Dane - Site Editor - from 2021
[Molly's Reply]
Thanks again for your response. I wrote zen to see if they could give me a discount. The window cost is $850 average and from what I’ve seen it should be lower than that. He said they can’t give me any money off. So would you only go with the Del Mar or is the Catalina okay?
Molly - Homeowner - from 2021
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The Catalina is a good window and if the company doing the install gets great reviews and they don't sell the Del Mar, well then I would probably stick with the Catalina and the well reviewed company myself. I'd prefer the Del Mar, but it should be a deal breaker.
Dane - Site Editor - from 2021
Zen Soft-Lite Nirvana
Had Home Depot Replacement Windows come out and they quoted Simonton 6500 ($17,201) Also reached out to Zen Windows based on a lot of great reviews of the local company and they provided two proposals. Soft-Lite Nirvana ($13,682) or what they are proposing is an upgrade to Joyce Lotus Double Pane at the same price.
Planning on staying in the home well into the future so I am interested in the product that you believe will provide the best overall value in terms of both long term energy efficiency and longevity and maintenance. Interested in any of your thoughts. Thanks on the Zen Windows reviews.
Chris - Homeowner - from 2021
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I have heard about this free upgrade from a number of consumers. I don't know a ton about the Joyce Heritage window, but it does look quite good. I believe the reason for the free upgrade is the longer lead times on the Soft-Lite Classic or Nirvana. I believe that is what is motviating them. I would assume the upgrade is worth it, but I can't say that for sure. Nice price and the Zen branch seems like they are running a good operation based on the reviews.
Dane - Site Editor - from 2021
Zen Soft-Lite Classic Bid
Tashia - Homeowner - from 2020
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Negotiating A Home Window Bid
Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
Zen Windows Twin Cities Reviews
Zen Windows (Ramsey Minnesota) – Nirvana Vinyl (beige) $2,880 (4 casement) - $200 less if replace with Picture window and 2 sliders.
Pinnacle Windows (Hoffman Weber out of New Brighton, MN) – Pinnacle Vinyl $3,905 (this is price for Picture window with 2 sliders)
We are planning to sell the house within the next year so don't want to spend a ton... window has wood rot or we would just replace the glass (seals are broken). The decision seems to be a no-brainer, but wondered if the Nirvana window is a decent window or if it might be worth the extra cost to go with Pinnacle. Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Debby - Homeowner - from 2020
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Because I am familiar with it and the bid price is lower, my decision would be to go with the Zen bid. This is premised on the idea that the Zen branch you are considering has a good, solid reputation for quality installation.
Dane - Website Editor - from 2020
Zen Windows vs Pella
The quotes came in pretty close to each other. Pella actually came and saw our existing windows while Zen gave a quote through email and photos.
Thanks for your time.
Gretchen - Homeowner - from 2020
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Soft-Lite, on the other hand, makes excellent vinyl windows. The Classic model, or Nirvana when sold by Zen, is tried and true, a very solid vinyl window. Not the best on the market, but a well priced, quality product. Just make sure that the Zen dealer you are working with has a good reputation and solid reviews.
Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
Window Replacement In Iowa
First thank you and Tim for the information on your website. Very helpful and have learned so much on your Zen Windows reviews webpage.
Second or maybe it should be first I apologize for the length of this email but based on reading reviews and your comments it seems like you guys can provide more insight when you have the full details. As you will notice this isn’t a small job. My goal is to make a decision this week and I feel like I’ve narrowed my choices down to Pella and Zen but would appreciate any insight you have.
I’m in the process of replacing 44 windows in my home. All original Pella windows from when it was built in 1987. The majority of the windows are casement (which I Hate) some picture windows and two awning windows in the basement. The windows in the living room are currently wood sashes that I replaced the sashes on 3 of them approximately five years ago.
Knowing that the number of windows you have plays a large part in the overall cost of the project combined with the fact that the majority of the windows are covered with plantation shutters I have been looking at Vinyl and Fiberglass replacements. Given that some of the windows have had seal issues where there is water damage on the casing I feel like a full replacement vs pocket replacement would be the best option. Vinyl vs Fiberglass Windows
We have custom plantation shutters in all but one 2nd floor bedroom and family room in basement so we need to be able to still keep those. I’ve talked with several companies
1) Pella Windows -full replacement with the Pella 350 series the quote is $38,517.01
On the Impervia the quote is $45,408.21
Pella has quoted sliders where we currently have casements with the exception of the kitchen windows which they quoted double hung. For the bank of 4 living room windows they quoted a single picture window vs two picture windows.
For the master bedroom they quoted one large slider with right and left venting. They also quoted one slider vs two awning in the basement.
Biggest pro - they will do a full replacement vs pocket replacement. They also indicated they bring a company in to take the plantation shutters down and reinstall them so that they aren’t damaged.
Pella quoted us five years ago when I replaced the sashes on some windows while I can’t find that bid the current sales man confirmed they quoted 350 Series then. I seem to recall the bid was between $25-28k. So this bid seems really high especially since it is supposed to include 40% off installation.
What I don’t like is that the warranty on labor is only two years and given that I currently have Pella windows that have had problems struggle with going with Pella again.
2) Zen who have quoted a Nirvana double hungs So far I only have a bid for pocket replacement but have gone back and asked if they will quote full replacement. Current pocket replacement bid is $27,415.00. I have also asked them to quote sliders vs double hung based on having three 2nd story bedrooms and the double hung would not meet fire code requirements
What I like about Zen lifetime warranty on parts and labor. Also like that they have Zen Promise on their pricing from the proposal and my discussion with the owner it sounds like they won’t go up on their price and if they find any rotted wood it is replaced without an additional charge. Given my concerns that some of the current windows leaks this is a bonus; but then with a full replacement that Pella has quoted I would think that would take care of those concerns.
Still not sure if they are Soft-lite or Alside. Based on videos links they sent the frames have foam vs air pockets.
3) Window World pocket replacement $24,400 - not really under consideration but wanted another bid since getting other people to return calls or send me a proposal seems to be too much to ask.
Con - I didn’t like that they don’t do any touch ups and won’t do a full replacement.
4) Windsor Windows used Gilcrest Jewett lumber company who distributes their windows. Salesman came to measure but didn’t get back to me even after I followed up twice ... combined with fact that he indicated I would be hard pressed to keep my plantation shutters without serious modification to them they are off the list
5) Hanson windows - what a joke they would only speak with me if my husband was here with me. Talk about the Stone Age! So they were off the list
6) couple of independent companies that don’t seem to understand getting back to people with a proposal which I find frustrating.
Should you decide to publish this to your website hopefully it is the cliff notes version especially since I’m in the process of bidding the job.
Kind regards.
Kristi - Homeowner - from 2020
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Dane - Website Editor - from 2020
Zen Nirvana vs Kensington
Don - Homeowner - from 2020
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Zen Nirvana: quite a good vinyl option
Kensington K4G: quite a good vinyl series
Renewal by Anderson Prices: quite an expensive composite window
Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
Zen Nirvana Price Quote
April - Homeowner - from 2020
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Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
Zen Windows Reviews : Lotus Series
The Lotus comes standard with some nice features and components, including a super spacer, good vent locks, frame foam fills, locking screen latch, delta safety locks and a metal reinforced meeting rail. It can be ordered in a number of interior wood laminates, as well as some 15 exterior color options. I especially like the wood laminates, which look quite realistic and provide the look of wood, without the cost and maintenance requirements.
The Zen Lotus has a U-Factor of .21, SHGC of .26, and a Air Leakage of .06. These are all very respectable numbers. I would give the Zen Lotus a 4.6 out of 5 stars rating. Scroll down to read all of our Zen Windows reviews on the Lotus series.
Dane - Site Editor
Zen Windows Reviews Imperial Elite
$31,500 Zen Promise (Lotus) / (Imperial elite triple pane glass)
$25,415 Zen Nirvana w/ Solar lowE glass upgrade
Errin - Homeowner - from 2023
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Dane - Site Editor - from 2023
Zen Windows Milwaukee Reviews
I'm looking for a new install window with a nailing flange. The cost total would be $7722 for the 11 installed window, aluminum wrapped exterior with about a four week turn around.
The other window I have considered is Zen/Soft-Lite, here's their quote for replacement windows:
Zen Windows –
Lotus Window by Soft-Lite (Furnish and install 2 double sliders; 70" x 42.5") ENERGY STAR rated $1,170.00
Lotus Window by Soft-Lite (Furnish and install 6 double sliders; 72" x 42.5") ENERGY STAR rated $2,994.00
Lotus Window by Soft-Lite (Furnish and install 2 double sliders and 1 double hung, all less than 100 unites inches in size) ENERGY STAR rated $1,110.00
Total $8,124.00. Turn around time is 12-16 weeks.
Even tough the above quote is for a replacement window, I believe if I have them install the window with a nailing flange. I could wrap the exterior with vinyl PVC material then trim the inside myself. Replacing with a new window frame and nailing flange would allow me to better insulate the window unit between the original RO and the new window frame with window/door expanding foam.
Your thoughts please?
Steve - Homeowner - from 2022
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Dane - Website Editor - from 2022
Zen Windows of St. Louis
Thanks in advance.
$35454
Patrick - Homeowner - from 2022
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Tim - Website Editor - from 2022
Zen Windows Soft-lite Pro
Key parameters that our contractor is looking for is the following: integrated j-channel, nail flanges, and jamb extensions. Finding this combination of all 3 of these components has proven to be tricky and limited some of our options. Additionally, we are trying to source these windows as soon as possible (ideally 1-2 months).
Below is an overview of the options I've pulled together that I'd like to get your input on. At this point, I'm leaning towards the Provia Endure windows and doors as that may be the best value/performance, but I look forward to your input on this:
Zen Windows (Provia Endure) (includes extension jambs, j-channels, nail flanges) (lead time: 4-6 weeks) (pricing includes installation)
Windows: $22,543
Sliding door (70"x96"): $4,265
Zen Windows (Soft-lite Pro) (includes j-channels and nail flanges. note: these do not have jamb extensions and will require extra carpentry costs) (lead time: 8 weeks) (pricing includes installation)
Windows: $21,547
Sliding door (70"x96"): $4,165
Jeldwen (Pro Vinyl series 4500) (includes extension jambs, j-channels, nail flanges) (lead time: 9 weeks) (pricing does not include installation)
Windows: $18,845
Sliding door (71.5"x95.5"): $1,540
Soft-Lite Pro Windows, Sliding Door, Entry Door (includes j-channels and nail flanges. note: these do not have jamb extensions and will require extra carpentry costs) (lead time: 8 weeks) (pricing does not include installation)
Windows and Sliding Door: $30,237
Provia Entry Door and Patio Door: $7,266
Andersen 400 Series (includes extension jambs and nail flanges, but not sure if it includes j-channels) (lead time: 8-10 weeks) (pricing does not include installation)
Windows: $19,709
Sliding door 100 series (71.5"x95.5"): $2,000
Simonton Brickmould series 600 (includes extension jambs and nail flanges, and j-channels) (lead time: 4-7 weeks) (pricing does not include installation)
Windows: $19,685
Sliding door (71.25"x95.5"): $2,036
Doug - Homeowner - from 2022
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Dane - Website Editor - from 2022
Zen Lotus Soft-Lite Imperial LS
Does Zen have windows made to their specs at the Soft-Lite (now Harvey Building Products) site?
You responded to an inquiry someone else had with the following...
Mary, the Zen Lotus, which is the Soft-Lite Pro, is not as good as the Soft-Lite Imperial LS. So for the same price, I'd go with the Soft-Lite.
But in a quote I got from Zen they say that the Imperial Elite and the Lotus are the same.
I'm so confused. Can you shed any light on this? Thanks.
Mitch - Homeowner - from 2022
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For the most part though...
Zen Karma = Soft-Lite Barrington
Zen Nirvana = Soft-Lite Classic
Zen Lotus = Soft-Lite Pro
If the branch you are using is calling the Soft-Lite Imperial LS or Elite as their Lotus model, then great! Fantastic window. I would just ask the salesperson to verify the performance numbers of the window.
SL Imperial LS .03 air infiltration number, along with a VT of .34, U factor of .19, and SHGC of .18
Dane - Website Editor - from 2022
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I live in the St. Louis county area (63128).
I received a quote from Zen Windows that said their Lotus lines is the same as Soft-Lite Imperial Elite.
Their price for these window installed is as follows;
1) two double hung for $800 each (44”x41" and 53”x40”)
2) two casement for $845 each (both 24” x 53”)
3) one picture for $1,320 (53”x63”).
I would appreciate your opinion on if this is within what you believe to be an acceptable amount.
Thanks again for your Zen Windows reviews.
Mitch - Homeowner - from 2022
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Dane - Website Editor - from 2022
Zen Lotus Price Quote
This is a huge investment and I want to get it right. I do not want to pay for things that are unnecessary, but I do not want to do it on a budget that in the long run, will not be a good investment.
I have a quote from Anderson for 32k.
I have a quote from Zen for 14k for the Lotus Supreme triple pane and 11,665 for the Nirvana line. I confirmed they will be the SoftLight line.
Right now, I am leaning toward Zen.
The local Zen dealer has incredible reviews (all 5 stars with hundreds of reviews from multiple sources) and they are legitimate. They have been so nice and easy to work with on this quote and their installer, George, has been doing their work for over a decade and people all rave about him. They are not pushy or salesy like Anderson. The Zen warranty is the best one I have found. Lifetime, transferrable and covers everything including my son throwing a baseball through it. The other ones I have read are hard to read, full of fine print, etc.
The Lotus is coming in at 14k and this includes a patio door for 4300.
The Nirvana line is coming in at 11,665 and includes the patio door for 3450.
I have read in some of your responses that Zen doors have had poor reviews. This would be the Zen KingsRoyal sliding door.
Questions for you:
1. Given this is in Missouri, is there value in going with the Lotus? Or would the Nirvana be just as good? The cost difference between Lotus and Nirvana for entire project is 2520.
2. I have read a lot of your reviews and responses; I want to confirm that you still feel the Zen Lotus and/or Nirvana product is above average, good investment? Or should I look at other windows?
3. Do you recommend not including the Zen door in this project given your past comments on the poor reviews?
4. Can you suggest other companies that I should get another quote from? I have Window Nation, Window World, and Window Depot scheduled. Or do you think this Zen quote makes good sense. I am fine using Zen unless these prices do not look right.
Scope of work:
LOTUS
3 slider window x 1 @1725 each for 1725
Double slider window x 4 @1065 each for 4260
Double hung x4 @695 each for 2780
Sliding door x1 @ 2352 + 885 for Lotus upgrade + 1125 for bronze exterior color for 4362
Additional 1545 for bronze exterior for all windows
Total: 14,185 (with all other fees, taxes) or 9823 without door
NIRVANA
3 slider window x 1 @1275 each for 1275
Double slider window x 4 @ 855 each for 3420
Double hung x 4 @ 575 each for 2300
Sliding door x 1 @ 2325 + 1125 for bronze exterior color for 3450
Additional 1545 for bronze exterior for all windows
Total: 11,665 (with all other fees, taxes) or 8212 without door
My sincerest thanks to you for your time and expertise here, I really do appreciate it and all of your Zen Windows reviews!
Josh - Homeowner - from 2021
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I would absolutely get the additional bids to see what else is out there and how their pricing compares. Plus, lower bids can always be taken back to the Zen dealer to see if they will match the bid price. How to negotiate a window bid.
Dane - Site Editor - from 2021
Zen Lotus Reviews And Glass
Based on Zen's website, Zen lotus, despite similar to soft-lite pro, actually uses fiberglass reinforced frames and "super spacer", so sounds a little better than a regular Soft-lite Pro. A silly question, will 3 pane make my room darker (less light can come in)? That's my only concern.
Kind regards.
Jacky - Homeowner - from 2021
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Tim - Site Editor - from 2021
Zen Lotus Windows
Window Nation: $31,349 for 2 sliding glass doors, 19 DH windows, 2 DH tempered glass, 1 circle top, 1 picture tempered glass, one horizontal picture - all dark exterior and white interior, windows have grids. This is their Potomac series window
Zen Windows: same exact windows/doors as above except they call the horizontal picture window a “transom window”. This is for the Lotus double pane (Soft-Lite Pro) series windows. Total estimate is for $26,695.
Do both of these seem fair for the windows we’re getting and considering the restrictions (grids/exterior color) we have?
Thank you!
Josh - Homeowner - from 2020
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Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
Zen Lotus And Dharma Patio Doors
Doublehung’s as follows
2 -53”x 27”
3 -77”x 34”
4 -53”x 35”
2 -65” x36”
1Bathroom -33”x28”
1 Pentagon - stationary 72” x ~36”
We want to take out the old and completely replaced with the new so not a pocket replacement would be called a full install I think
So far we have 2 bids
Zen with Lotus Windows and dharma patio doors 27k
Window source with Ply Gem 9000 series 21k
What do you think of these two windows and the bids?
I live in the Cedar Rapids Iowa area.
Eugene - Homeowner - from 2020
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With everything going on with this virus, I would expect prices to begin to drop as companies are no longer filling up their schedules the same way they have been. I would use a little patience and see if you can get a couple more bids to compare and to see if you can get that 27K to drop some. I'd see if Sunrise, Soft-Lite, Okna, or Polaris sells their windows through local dealers.
Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
Zen Lotus Supreme Windows
Shawn - Homeowner - from 2020
[Website Editor Reply]
I'd call them up and ask what window you are buying. There should be no hesitation on their part to tell you -- if there is I'd see this as a big red flag. Zen should be transparent and happy to tell you what product you are actually buying! Plus they should be proud of their product.
When you find out, will you let me know? I'd love to post this for other consumers who run into this.
Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
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Shawn - Homeowner - from 2020
[Website Editor Reply]
Anyway, the Soft-Lite Pro is quite a good window. In the upper echelons of the mid range vinyl window category. The design has been around for a while, but it is tried and true and a vinyl window I'd have in my home for sure.
Assuming you like the installation company, you should be in good hands with this window.
Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
Zen Lotus Plus Windows Reviews
Dane - Site Editor
Zen Imperial LS Platinum Quote
When the Zen installer came out, he said that replacing the current window configuration (single hung + picture window + single hung - for example) should not be replaced with a triple slider due to the amount of work and tear required. He indicated the window sill would not look clean. He said the current windows take 4 inches and the new windows 3 inches and he would need to account for that extra inch gap. I will provide photos for your review.
The sales person for Window Nation sent the photos to his install team and they said they are confused but they feel the windows could be replaced with the triple and double slider options lessening the number of windows required. They said that some installers will talk you out of options that might cause them extra work. Given the photos below, can you tell enough to provide your opinion.
Assuming we can move forward with the 9 window options using a mix of double and triple sliders, can you please also look at the costs below between Zen and Window Nation.
Window Nation is coming in about $1600 bucks higher from the same window. I am waiting to hear back from Zen on the updated quote from 9 windows to now 15 windows given what the installer/measurer is reporting back to the sales team. His concerns have caused me pause and make me wonder if the Window Nation sales person and their install teams are missing something.
Window Nation is claiming they do more work and a better install than Zen, such has using some mold treatment and higher quality foams and installation materials in sealing the window etc. For those reasons they cannot go lower than the $10,954
Window Nation is quoting the following, although they have come down to $10,954.
Window Nation to furnish and install the following:
Imperial LS Platinum – detailed specifications in this brochure - Click Here
(4) Double hungs, White, no grids.
(4) Sliders, White, no grids.
(1) Triple slider, White, no grids.
Total Price: $28,170.00
Current Incentives: -$16,653.00
Final Price: $11,517.00
Zen's price for the exact same order above is Lotus: $9880 and the Nirvana: $9340 (again, this assumes Zen will move forward with this configuration) which they are claiming they cannot do currently for the reasons cited above.
Any advice on steps forward regarding the company? Zen has amazing reviews (5 stars) and Window Nation has great reviews (4.8 stars).
Here are the photos. You can see this is two single hung. Zen is saying I need to do a one for one replacement since he would have to cut the window sill area where the molding of the middle meets the window sill. He said it will not look clean. Does any of that make sense to you or cause you a concern by using Window Nations approach of using double and triple sliders?
This is the area of the window sill that Zen says they need to cut around, leaving it looking unclean.
Thanks again, Dane, for your help!!
Josh - Homeowner - from 2021
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If you add in the lower costs and better reviews, and I don't see how you don't go with Zen in this scenario....
Dane - Site Editor - from 2021
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Josh - Homeowner - from 2021
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Dane - Site Editor - from 2021
Zen Imperial Elite vs Apex Costs
The new quote for different color exterior and upgraded sealant to Quad Max sealant is $48,248.
The ratings for these windows are as follows: Imperial Elite
U factor 0.19
SHGC 0.18
Air filtration 0.02
VT 0.34
Mt quote from Apex Windows is $42,584 which includes different exterior color and their standard sealant is the QuadMax.
Their ratings are:
U factor 0.21
SHGC 0.24
Air filtration 0.10
VT 0.42
Do you think the higher cost of the Zen Window (imperial elite) is worth the extra money? Thank you so much.
Kim - Homeowner - from 2021
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Dane - Site Editor - from 2021
Zen Lotus Plus or The Sunrise Restorations
Soft-Lite Elements / Soft-Lite Kingsroyal Door: $23K
Sunrise Restoration / ProVia Door: $23K
Soft-Lite Classic / Soft-Lite Kingsroyal Door: $21.5K
Zen Lotus Plus / Zen Dharma Door: $15.5K
Ruby - Homeowner - from 2018
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Tim - Website Editor - from 2018
Zen Imperial LS
Mike - Homeowner - from 2016
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Dane - Website Editor - from 2016
Zen Windows Reviews :: Joyce Heritage Plus
Zen Nirvana Using Joyce Insulator Series
The warranty between the two brands was the same and it seems that Joyce has been around for like 70 years. Anyway, I hope this works out well for me. Cheers.
Scott - Homeowner - from 2019
Zen Endure Windows Reviews
Dane - Site Editor
Endure Window Quote In North Carolina
Paul - Homeowner - from 2024
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Dane - Site Editor - from 2024
Zen Provia Endure
11 double hungs - $8019
1 double slider - $729
Mark - Homeowner - from 2024
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Dane - Site Editor - from 2024
Zen Endure Series
My issues:
1- the corner of so many vinyl brands are poorly done and look like a toddler's craft project - bumpy bulky finish and would drive me nuts to see that every day- the above two had a better indented/smooth line. Why are so many poorly done - seems like a no brainer manufacturing fix - and are there other brands I should check out for a smooth corner?
2- I want to maximize visibility and many frames are wider than what I have now. The Zen option was attractive until I saw that the glass was actually tinted green. I understood the energy related reasoning given but I don't want a tinted window. I like seeing my little corner of the city/neighborhood!
What other brands in the mid range vinyl might I consider to maximize visibility- and have smooth corners?!
Thanks very much.
DL - Homeowner - from 2023
[Site Editor's Answer]
The reason comes down to costs -- most homeowners are concerned about how much do replacement windows cost and how do I get something at the lowest price point. High end factories and processes that emphasize quality builds and low tolerances are not necessarily a priority at most operations.
Ah, yes, the age old question of how to maximize visibility and energy efficiency. Glass is the least energy efficient material on your walls, so it's always a toss up between the view and the heat loss/gain. The Sunrise Restorations is a very nice option.
The glass tint is an interesting one because it really bugs some people, while others simply don't notice it. You might want to go over all of the glass package options with the Ideal Windows dealer and see if there is one that doesn't bother you as much?
Dane - Site Editor - from 2023
Zen Windows Reviews : FiberFrame Series
Tim - Site Editor
Comfort Line Fiberframe Windows Review
I am trying to find quality reviews on this manufactures and they are not covered. I know Zen does their due diligence on windows they use so I concerned when I don't see reviews or the reviews I see are from 2005 -2007. Any insight would be appreciated. Thanking you in advance.
Ed - Homeowner - from 2020
[Website Editor Reply]
So I guess I would be reticent about going with the windows, but my opinion should not taken as gospel. If this were my project, I would stick with the Zen Nirvana or Lotus windows. Both great windows and less costly than fiberglass.
Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
[Ed's Reply]
I've also been looking at renewal by Anderson which maybe has is a better track record product I have a price that's actually less than Zen Windows believe it or not for those If I do end up getting the fiber frame I will definitely post on your site with my experience.
Thank you so much again I appreciate the website that you have also.
I'm replacing eagle aluminum clad wood windows which came which I bought when I built my home in the '90s and failed as many of the Well no clad windows of those days did and I wanted a nice interior lease laminate wood if not all wood and the only way I can get all wood nowadays is I guess Pella or doing a custom Anderson job with their series 400 or the next one up but the problem there is getting local contractors I'm in Southeast Iowa
Anyway thank you again.
Ed - Homeowner - from 2020
[Website Editor Reply]
Personally, I stay away from wood clad, but thought I would at least mention it. Good luck on the project! (More on window replacement cost here.)
Tim - Website Editor - from 2020
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